Independent States - Individual Laws? (GOP Plan=Divide and Conquer)
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Individual States - Individual Laws
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF INDIVIDUAL STATES HAVING THE CAPACITY TO LEGISLATE THEIR OWN LAWS?
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Are independent state laws really feasible? Reasonable? Suitable? Practical? Rational? Logical?
Let's explore the pros and cons of each state having independent laws for:
- marriage equality?
- religious laws?
- teaching 'religion' in schools?
- teaching sex education in schools?
- intelligent design versus science?
- mandating morality laws?
- banning gay rights?
- for discrimination of any kind?
- gun laws?
- against illegal aliens? (non extra terrestrial of course)
- banning minimum wages?
- stalking laws?
- redefining rape?
- banning abortion?
- devaluing women's rights?
Just who does the GOP really represent? They advocate individual state independence from the Federal Government laws. Why?
The Federal Government was set up to make sure there was equality = equal rights for all American citizens alike, without discrimination: the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These are NOT issues to be decided by the majority. Equal rights do not mean only for the pious majority.
SHOULD WE BE "VOTING" ON EQUAL RIGHTS? REALLY?
The current trend seems to be reversing itself toward independent "equal rights" as defined by the majority of the individual states. ?
What in hell are they thinking?
It is a gigantic ploy by those who want our Federal Government to topple. The results would be nothing short of anarchy. {a state of lawlessness, or political disorder, due to the absence of governmental authority. A utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government. Absence or denial of any authority or established order}-(Websters dictionary)
THIS BASIC PREMISE? --- DIVIDE AND CONQUER !!!
We are witnessing the destructiveness of such a movement around us today. Individual states attacking their own citizens with ludicrous laws. {ludicrous: amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration or eccentricity; meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept, false or just plain foolish} (Websters Dictionary)
Just as we see currently being done in such states as Wisconsin, Florida, Maine, So. Carolina, Alabama, Arizona and California - just to name a few of the most visibly vile.
This kind of tactic would (and does) create more havoc than good common sense would dictate, or permit. What we best need today is confirmation of our solidarity, equality, citizenry, and consistency with unity of purpose, interests, objectives and standards.
Lets look at a few examples of individual state laws wreaking havoc on the total American citizenry; causing the affliction of vengeance or punishment; giving free play or course to malevolent feelings and bringing wide and general destruction, confusion and disorder - not only to those states named above, but to all of our "united" ? states of America.
- Illegal alien status chaos - stereotyping, division, harassment, discrimination....
- attacks on women's rights - eliminating choices, loss of personal freedoms, making 'moral decisions by legislators.....
- attempting to control and/or mandate morality - denying basic rights based on 'moral' grounds, denying same sex marriages, increasing discriminatory laws against the gay community, Muslims, and other non-christian people.....
- destroying unions - that provide for safe work environments, equal work / equal pay, fair wages, non work place discrimination.....
- promoting inane and idiotic religious laws that - promote hatred, intolerance, bigotry, and influence our politics to discriminate against non religious citizens.....
- marriage equality fiasco - denying basic equality to minorities based on religious ideology and causing social unrest and divisiveness.....
- minority rights - promoting discrimination laws against women, gays, Muslims and increasing the mistrust, intolerance, bigotry and hatred.....
This attempt to divide our great nation is way too disruptive and destructive to our democratic way of life. By the use of "democracy" as a way of life does not particularly reflect a preference toward the democratic party versus the republican party. It is instead referencing a way of life that depicts a government for the people, and by the people; Not pro business, pro wealthy, pro religion, pro conservative values of a few; but equality for all people alike. A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people, and exercised by them directly, or indirectly, through a system of representation, that is 'honestly' elected and without hereditary, or arbitrary class distinctions, or privileges.
Such a simple process and yet so corrupted by greed and avarice for the excessiveness, or insatiable desires for wealth, gain, and power over others by a small percentage of the population.
How this cupidity (inordinate desire for wealth, and lust for power) has come to permeate our society, unfettered by blindness, or apathy, is beyond my comprehension.
It has enamored our passivity with the false promises that honest and hard work can give us all and equal chance, or opportunity, to attain wealth and the coveted "American Dream".
This mendacious promise, was willfully perpetrated by the liars, thieves, and deceptive sociopathic personalities who are the true beneficiaries of all that promised wealth and abundance. Their false and empty philosophy has totally permeated our unsuspecting society with such guile and deception that they have invaded an entire political party ideology that now represents only themselves; with their integrated assertions, theories, and aims that constitute a very narrow sociopolitical program to only benefit themselves.
If corporate mentality totally takes over this once genuine democratic principled government, we are all doomed to a life of austerity as we have not seen the likes of before. {austerity: stern and cold in appearance, somber, grave, morally strict, giving little or no hope for pleasure, freedom or equality. An ascetic way of life that practices strict self denial, as a measure of personal and spiritual discipline} (Websters dictionary) - as is built into any theocratic government.
Do we (those of us who cherish freedom and equality) really want our government transformed into a practicing religious entity with the power to mandate morals and pass laws that we see in 3rd world countries where "blasphemy" or "irreverence" is cause for imprisonment or being put to death?
Have we learned nothing from the past OR the current situation going on all around us on this planet???
by d.william o1/08/2012
- LET'S TAKE A POLL - Am I Stupid, or What?
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Is religion destroying humanity? Can government (for the people) reverse this dangerous and deadly trend? Or will religion be the cause of the next global war? Does religion have anything at all to do with spirituality? - Maladies of the Soul: The Radicalization of the Right Wing Fanatics.
diseases of the soul and the mind directly effect the body. Heal your mind and soul and heal your body. - RELIGION: A Pathway to Salvation or Destruction
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A Poem to praise the new awakening. The age of enlightenment has begun. Embrace it or be left behind - be part of the solution - not the problem. Nothing short of genocide will stop it.
A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY WE NEED UNIFORMITY IN U.S. LAWS. NOT INDIVIDUAL STATE LAWS.
IS ANYBODY LISTENING ??
Individual States - Individual laws?
So, let's take that poll again - Are you still in favor of individual states having the capacity to legislate their own laws?
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In the United States, the right of states to make their own laws, as long as they do not violate the Constitution, is set in the Tenth Amendment.
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Thanks for reading and your wise comments as usual. Yes, i have no doubt that Arizona has a better view of the illegal immigration problems in this country than most states not directly on the border, but when northern states start making their own "immigration laws" targeting the immigrants residing in their states, it opens a can of worms that we should not be opening. There are enough politicians from every state that represent 'their' people, sitting around in Washington DC on their smug butts doing nothing that they should have introduced legislature that would have been able to address the problem as a nation instead of resorting to attempt to solve a national problem one state at a time and by doing so causing fragmentation that is problematic.
We have to first ascertain whether we want to be part of the United States, or part of one state. I prefer that Americans be treated as Americans, not as Arizonians, Texans, etc..., if you get my point.
It is not very American to pass laws discriminating against any minority in one state, and another state passing laws prohibiting discrimination.
It is not just the immigration thing that puts Arizona in the visibly vile status - Isn't that where Rick Perry is from too? L.O.L.
Here is an excerpt from an email i received today - Undoubtedly much to the chagrin of the GOP:
David --
Yesterday, President Obama made a decision that should make us all proud.
He proposed an immigration rule change that will keep American families together by cutting bureaucratic wait times and relieving undue hardship on U.S. citizens who are unfairly separated from their loved ones.
The current law requires undocumented spouses and children of U.S. citizens to leave the country in order to complete the legal immigration process. But once they leave the country, they are often prohibited from returning to the United States -- sometimes for up to a decade.
President Obama's proposal would allow undocumented children and spouses of citizens to complete most of the process to gain legal status in the United States, avoiding the unnecessary and sometimes extensive separation of American families.
Join me today in standing with the President and this big step forward on immigration policy.
This rule change would allow U.S. citizens to remain with their families and is consistent with the President's commitment to sensible reform to fix our broken immigration system. He has streamlined naturalization for military service members, fought for the DREAM Act, and directed the Department of Homeland Security to focus on removing those who have committed crimes over those who pose little threat to our communities. Now, he's offering American families the chance to remain together as they pursue legal status.
The contrast between the President's approach to fixing our broken immigration system and Republicans like Mitt Romney's could not be clearer.
Mitt Romney, who would have the most extreme immigration position of any presidential nominee in modern history, would separate these families. He advocates kicking all undocumented immigrants out of the country -- even those families who've lived here for a generation, raised children and grandchildren here, paid taxes, obeyed the law, are members of their churches and communities, and even serve in the military.
Romney has even vowed to veto the DREAM Act, calling it a "handout" -- when it is a common-sense, bipartisan proposal that allows some patriotic and talented young immigrants, who came here through no fault of their own, to earn the opportunity to apply for citizenship.
The President is fighting for a legal immigration system that meets our country's diverse needs because he knows that we all prosper when we recognize that we are all in it together. He believes that, as a nation of immigrants, we should stand united without dividing people.
It's important that, today, we stand together with the President.
Friend --
Thank you for standing with President Obama for smart immigration reform.
We'd like to invite you to join supporters across the country in a call to learn more about the rule change and how it could affect thousands of American families.
The call is on Monday, January 9th, at 8:00 p.m. EST. Sign up here:
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When you sign up, you'll receive a personal passcode and phone number to use on Monday.
We hope you can make it. Thanks,
It doesn't really matter what this president wants or tries to do, he will be met with violent opposition from now until after he is re-elected in November.
tamarawilhite:
thanks for reading and commenting. And that is my point. When we have states that make laws regarding basic human rights that are guaranteed under the constitution, it certainly does undermine the original intent.
We might not like some people, their religious beliefs, their ethnicity, or sexual/love partners, but the constitution says every citizen has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - i do not recall there being a 'but' or an "except' clause after that. Did i miss something?
I thought it would be good for the states to legislate their own rights, how utterly wrong i was. I learn so much from your hubs..Thank you..Keep writing..
d.william - The sad part on immigration is this. Farmers need workers to harvest their crops, people from Mexico are desperate for work, seems like a guest worker program would solve the problems for both. Yet to my knowledge, no effort is being put into a guest worker program at all. It would seem to me that our government working jointly with the Mexican government could quickly come up with a program that would serve this need, and reduce the risk for those now entering illegally.
My heart goes out to those who are forced to risk, and often lose, their lives just trying to get here to earn some money. Not to steal money, to earn money. Most of these are wonderful hard working people and they deserve better. Most would actually prefer to earn some money and then return to their homes in Mexico. Again I ask, how hard could it be to put a guest worker program that works into operation?
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Thanks again for your comments. Your suggestion is an excellent one. It truly is sad that this government can not, or will not, come to any decisions regarding the immigration problem. You can bet that the reason for their reluctance to legislate any reforms is due to someone who would stand to lose lots of money by that reform. The only justice in this world is directed toward the wealthy, the kick backs, and the pay backs for those kick backs.
We have to reform how this government works before we can do any other type of reforming. No matter which political party makes any suggestions toward change, the "other" party will fight it for no other reason than they do not want the other party to gain any political ground on them.
I wish we could just kick them all out of Washington and hire the girl scouts to do their jobs - it could not be any worse. L.O.L.
d.william - L.O.L. not a bad idea putting the girl scouts in Washington. I believe they could do a better job than what we have now. Especially if they lived by their Girl Scout Oath. Most of our current politicians would need extensive training to even understand what was in this oath.
d.william great article.
The American Dream is as George Carlin says, you have to be asleep to believe it.
I don't have problems with state legislating their own law, as long as they do not conflict with Federal law, the Constitution, Bill of Rights... People in California have different concerns then those in North Dakota, there are regional differences and needs that need to be addressed and state lawmakers are to bring a more individualized responsive government to the population it serves. But as the state is always subordinate to the federal, laws cannot be enacted in violation of federal law. That is where the line is drawn and where rights cannot be denied any group merely because the majority in an area votes in such a way.
So, I am for states being able to legislate, but the reach and effect of their legislation can only go so far.
Wow, this hub is far above my pay grade, when it comes to word usage, and terminology, but I still managed to work my way through it all.
I think that politics has a divisional purpose and that's the only reason for it to be in existence to me. Separation, has always done the trick when it comes to people winning, or losing any battles. So no matter which way you put it, there's going to be those at the receiving end, and those at the losing.
I have no knowledge when it comes to politics, so this is all that I see in it all, and I'm simply a realist, who looks for, the not so obvious things in something, such as a scientist who looks to prove only the simplest findings, and there's plenty people out here who think like I do.
Your hub is far beyond my scope, and I commend you on your research, however it may play out for you. I just wish something could be done about the false leadership issues we seem to have, no one can fix the system, and that's the truth, it wasn't designed to be repaired, maybe if the leaders told us all the truth than we could all sleep better .
It's actually functioning today as originally set out and planned to be, a system of numbers and scales, plain and simple "Good old fashion Monopoly". Political rhetoric is rhetoric. Voted up for the amazing effort here.
I think nothing will be solved or corrected, in our lifetime until everyone wakes up out of their dormant sleep state we've all been put in centuries ago, till than things will be as the guardians of the corrupted empires choose it to be.
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Wow, i can not believe i am so far behind in my responses to comments. I appreciate your reading and patience. I had not heard this quote from G. Carlin, it is funny and true.
Your point about states having various problems not like other states, is valid, and laws that address those differences is not what i was addressing. It is the passing of laws that discriminate against any minority within the state that other states pass legislation on that is in direct opposition. Specifically anti gay legislation that discriminates against this minority in one state, but not in another. Also the laws that target the Spanish communities in certain states, but not in others.
When these laws are passed in a state that affect minorities, and entire communities, it is impossible for an entire community to pack up and move to a state that is non discriminatory. Although with the new wars on the people (by the GOP on minorities), if they are not stopped, these discriminatory laws will engulf the entire states.
A few years ago, the state of Maine passed laws that decriminalized marijuana and the right wing conservatives protested until the federal government over ruled Maine's laws to decriminalized it. Now with states ruling in favor of right wing fanatics the federal government is silent. I guess it depends which side of the political fence you are on. One would think that if states have the right to make their own laws that California (same sex marriages)and (legalized marijuana growth), Maine (removal of child labor laws, minimum wages, and decriminalizing marijuana), and Arizona (laws discriminating - or targeting - Latinos), as well as other states' issues should all be addressed by the white house.
They are so afraid of stepping on someone's toes that they remain silent and allow these abuses to stand in these states.
These subtleties in passing legislation aimed at a particular portion of a states population is the reason i wrote my most recent hub about irrational discrimination versus logical discernment.
It just seems like too many people want to have their cake and eat it too.
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Thank you so much for reading and commenting. From your remarks i think your basic understanding is intact and above the average. I appreciate your comments.
When the constitution was written it was sufficient to protect the people against the ruthless business world and oppressive religions.
Over the years when politicians were bought and sold like commodities they conspired to alter those protections one piece at a time in favor of their benefactors, as is evidenced by the supreme court's absurd decision to consider corporations the same status as an individual (to name just one major blunder).
Now our government protects business and destroys the individual's freedoms and basic rights. Now we have a neo republican right wing party that represents only corporate American interests.
With the most radical right wingers taking over our country state by state, removing unions, basic rights, destroying jobs, devaluing our educational system (with the express intentions of getting rid of public schools in favor of private or religious schools), deregulating business controls, reversing or exterminating safety measures against pollution, removing regulations that provide for safe food supplies and more, to name just a few; we are in big trouble in this country and unless people unite and rebel, it will only get worse.
The people still have the power to change the government back to representing the people above business, but as long as we, as a whole, remain apathetic and silent the greedy bastards will continue to take over until they have full control. It may already be too late. Only time will tell.
Old Poolman Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago
d.william, Wow, great hub as usual. This one leaves me with some mixed feelings. I can see both the positive and negative sides of this issue. The reason I say this is our states do differ if for no other reason than location. There are also religious, economic, and various other situations that make states different. You stated Arizona is a vile place because of our attempt to actually do something about illegal immigration because the Feds are doing nothing. As we are a border state, I would have to believe the problems with illegal immigration affect us far more than say Iowa, Tennessee, and so forth. In this case we are concerned about a serious problem that have limited impact on other states. I'm sure other states have problems or issues that we are unaware of here in Arizona, but are major concerns for them. Some laws would solve major problems for certain states, but these same laws would have little or no meaning or impact in all states.
I believe in that case individual states should have some leeway in solving their own problems as long as they don't attempt to replace Federal Laws that are already in effect.